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		<title>Comment on Topic of the Week: United’s Channel 9 by Trent880</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent880</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love channel 9, but seeing as UA has been dreadful for the better part of two decades, channel 9 ain&#039;t enough to make me choose them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love channel 9, but seeing as UA has been dreadful for the better part of two decades, channel 9 ain&#8217;t enough to make me choose them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who the F*&amp;@ is Lion Air? by CF</title>
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		<dc:creator>CF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen - Yes, I do remember that from a few years ago.  Thanks for the added color.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen &#8211; Yes, I do remember that from a few years ago.  Thanks for the added color.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cranky on the Web (May 13 – 17) by David SF eastbay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David SF eastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 11:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keep hearing &#039;slim seats&#039; and &#039;uncomfortable&#039; used in the same sentence. Funny how as kids we sat in school on hard wooden seats all day and didn&#039;t think anything of it. Now we want comfort when we sit in an airplane. 

Would seem it would make sense to add comfortable seats on aircraft used in long haul service where people must sit for a long period of time, and use the more uncomfortable slim seats on short haul aircraft where it&#039;s not much of an issue, and flight times are not as long.

Maybe the Ryanair chief wasn&#039;t off his rocker when he talked about stand up seating or whatever it was called. I&#039;ve stood for 2 hours on a 40 minute commuter train ride home many times (yes delays happen), so why can&#039;t someone sit the way he talked about or in an uncomfortable slim seat for 2 hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep hearing &#8216;slim seats&#8217; and &#8216;uncomfortable&#8217; used in the same sentence. Funny how as kids we sat in school on hard wooden seats all day and didn&#8217;t think anything of it. Now we want comfort when we sit in an airplane. </p>
<p>Would seem it would make sense to add comfortable seats on aircraft used in long haul service where people must sit for a long period of time, and use the more uncomfortable slim seats on short haul aircraft where it&#8217;s not much of an issue, and flight times are not as long.</p>
<p>Maybe the Ryanair chief wasn&#8217;t off his rocker when he talked about stand up seating or whatever it was called. I&#8217;ve stood for 2 hours on a 40 minute commuter train ride home many times (yes delays happen), so why can&#8217;t someone sit the way he talked about or in an uncomfortable slim seat for 2 hours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Topic of the Week: United’s Channel 9 by Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 07:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Long time reader coming out to comment on this one - I love channel 9! Agree with everyone above that it&#039;s not often on, and I never have the balls to ask the FAs, but whenever it&#039;s on I tend to nerd out to it for quite awhile. Despite being a VERY frequent flier I get nervous (for no reason) on takeoff, and listening to the professionalism of the pilots going about their jobs really helps. I&#039;ll miss it. But am tied to United on the 1K thing, so I won&#039;t change for a while.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time reader coming out to comment on this one &#8211; I love channel 9! Agree with everyone above that it&#8217;s not often on, and I never have the balls to ask the FAs, but whenever it&#8217;s on I tend to nerd out to it for quite awhile. Despite being a VERY frequent flier I get nervous (for no reason) on takeoff, and listening to the professionalism of the pilots going about their jobs really helps. I&#8217;ll miss it. But am tied to United on the 1K thing, so I won&#8217;t change for a while.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who the F*&amp;@ is Lion Air? by Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 07:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CF - you may recall a while back you booked a Riyadh-Singapore itinerary for us on Saudia.  Singapore was a stop on the way to Jakarta.  It was a 747 with coach upper deck, and was full.  At the stopover in Singapore, about 12 people deplaned.  The rest were Indonesian housemaids who stayed in their seats to go on to Jakarta.  I believe most of the housemaids in Saudi Arabia are Indonesian, so this kind of traffic probably goes on every day, both ways; the return flight was the same, although they made the Indonesians deplane and then emplane in Singapore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CF &#8211; you may recall a while back you booked a Riyadh-Singapore itinerary for us on Saudia.  Singapore was a stop on the way to Jakarta.  It was a 747 with coach upper deck, and was full.  At the stopover in Singapore, about 12 people deplaned.  The rest were Indonesian housemaids who stayed in their seats to go on to Jakarta.  I believe most of the housemaids in Saudi Arabia are Indonesian, so this kind of traffic probably goes on every day, both ways; the return flight was the same, although they made the Indonesians deplane and then emplane in Singapore.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Topic of the Week: United’s Channel 9 by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 00:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This would be an unfortunate change because it is one of the differentiators that UA has (sometimes). Probably not a direct factor too often in buy/not buy decisions, but part of the cumulative impact on the brand. UA is losing the exclusivity of the Economy Plus concept, shame to see them throw out another thing. It&#039;s not like they have top of the line service to fall back on.

However, it is probably inevitable as planes update. I think fewer and fewer are going to have personal entertainment in coach since people tend to carry their own now. 

Now, if only we could get the pilots to turn on CH9 more often. In the last year, I&#039;ve been less than 50/50 on the planes where it was theoretically available. I&#039;m starting to wonder if it is another &#039;work action&#039; like it was a few years back. The pilots have final say and they are just flicking the finger at management by not playing nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be an unfortunate change because it is one of the differentiators that UA has (sometimes). Probably not a direct factor too often in buy/not buy decisions, but part of the cumulative impact on the brand. UA is losing the exclusivity of the Economy Plus concept, shame to see them throw out another thing. It&#8217;s not like they have top of the line service to fall back on.</p>
<p>However, it is probably inevitable as planes update. I think fewer and fewer are going to have personal entertainment in coach since people tend to carry their own now. </p>
<p>Now, if only we could get the pilots to turn on CH9 more often. In the last year, I&#8217;ve been less than 50/50 on the planes where it was theoretically available. I&#8217;m starting to wonder if it is another &#8216;work action&#8217; like it was a few years back. The pilots have final say and they are just flicking the finger at management by not playing nice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Topic of the Week: United’s Channel 9 by Al B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 22:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll miss Channel 9, but I never chose flights based on its availability. It was, and always will be, based on price and schedule. The handwriting has been on the wall for awhile, even before the merger: I think it started to be withheld as a union action ... I don&#039;t think many pilots like having people listen in on their work.

It was kind of cool to be able to relay delay information before the captain would deign to make an announcement. On one flight I had out of LAX, one pilot must have forgotten Channel 9 was on while we were awaiting departure from the gate. There was a ground stop at ORD that would keep us on the ground until it was lifted and it took him awhile before he got around to making an announcement, using information that was already 15 minutes old.

My favorite Channel 9 memory came on a descent into CMH. I don&#039;t remember the exact circumstance, but the captain made some reference to his &quot;superior airmanship.&quot; He immediately took some ribbing from the controller and other pilots ... and from me when I complimented his &quot;superior airmanship&quot;—with a big grin—upon deplaning. His co-pilot got a huge kick out of that ... but that may be the last time Channel 9 was used on one of his flights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll miss Channel 9, but I never chose flights based on its availability. It was, and always will be, based on price and schedule. The handwriting has been on the wall for awhile, even before the merger: I think it started to be withheld as a union action &#8230; I don&#8217;t think many pilots like having people listen in on their work.</p>
<p>It was kind of cool to be able to relay delay information before the captain would deign to make an announcement. On one flight I had out of LAX, one pilot must have forgotten Channel 9 was on while we were awaiting departure from the gate. There was a ground stop at ORD that would keep us on the ground until it was lifted and it took him awhile before he got around to making an announcement, using information that was already 15 minutes old.</p>
<p>My favorite Channel 9 memory came on a descent into CMH. I don&#8217;t remember the exact circumstance, but the captain made some reference to his &#8220;superior airmanship.&#8221; He immediately took some ribbing from the controller and other pilots &#8230; and from me when I complimented his &#8220;superior airmanship&#8221;—with a big grin—upon deplaning. His co-pilot got a huge kick out of that &#8230; but that may be the last time Channel 9 was used on one of his flights.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Topic of the Week: United’s Channel 9 by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 22:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No surprise that they&#039;re yanking it as its in the way of them trying to charge another fee to the customers. (It seems like very few pay for their direct tv on the CO planes so it only makes sense to expand pay IFE? what other major has gone into pay IFE like united has??) They made promises to put channel 9 on the CO planes but I&#039;d be shocked now if that happens. This way they can slowly kill it as only the old timers will even know what it was. The whole IFE situation, including channel 9s disappearance, on United has become yet another reason NOT to fly United.... As if that list isn&#039;t long enough already since the merger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise that they&#8217;re yanking it as its in the way of them trying to charge another fee to the customers. (It seems like very few pay for their direct tv on the CO planes so it only makes sense to expand pay IFE? what other major has gone into pay IFE like united has??) They made promises to put channel 9 on the CO planes but I&#8217;d be shocked now if that happens. This way they can slowly kill it as only the old timers will even know what it was. The whole IFE situation, including channel 9s disappearance, on United has become yet another reason NOT to fly United&#8230;. As if that list isn&#8217;t long enough already since the merger.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Topic of the Week: United’s Channel 9 by DesertGhost</title>
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		<dc:creator>DesertGhost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 20:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care one way or another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care one way or another.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Topic of the Week: United’s Channel 9 by AD4</title>
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		<dc:creator>AD4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 20:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree - it&#039;s been turned on only about about 50% of the time on the mainline legacy UA equipment flights I&#039;ve taken in last year and I don&#039;t listen the way I once did.  It was a boon during taxi and holding pattern delays, otherwise not so much.  Considering that 50% of the mainline time I&#039;m on legacy CO equipment (better airplanes, even if no Ch 9), and a hunk of the time I&#039;m trapped in CRJ Hell, it won&#039;t make a big difference.  Get us Wifi and now and I can always check on line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; it&#8217;s been turned on only about about 50% of the time on the mainline legacy UA equipment flights I&#8217;ve taken in last year and I don&#8217;t listen the way I once did.  It was a boon during taxi and holding pattern delays, otherwise not so much.  Considering that 50% of the mainline time I&#8217;m on legacy CO equipment (better airplanes, even if no Ch 9), and a hunk of the time I&#8217;m trapped in CRJ Hell, it won&#8217;t make a big difference.  Get us Wifi and now and I can always check on line.</p>
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